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Someday you\u2019ll be out of a job. So will I, so will your neighbor, so will your best friend, and so will all of your family. All of our jobs will be automated, thanks to AI. This is the prediction of Shaw Walters (who in Web3 style typically just goes by \u201cShaw\u201d), founder of Eliza Labs, and creator of ElizaOS.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

\u201cWe\u2019re going to automate all of the jobs. Like, all of the jobs are going to be automated,\u201d says Shaw. \u201cThere aren\u2019t going to be any jobs. And there shouldn\u2019t be, because any work that I can get a robot to do is beneath me. And I think we will look back on this time like we look back on slavery. Like, \u2018What the fuck were we doing?\u2019\u201d<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Onstage at the AI Summit at Consensus 2025<\/a>, Shaw will unpack this theory in a keynote titled, \u201cHow AI Agents and Humanoid Robots will Reshape Society\u2026and Why Crypto is the Key.\u201d Here he gives a quick sneak peek.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Interview has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.<\/em><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

What excites you the most about AI Agents?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Personally, this is a sort of selfish quest. I don’t like sitting at my desk all day with my shoulders rounding, becoming this troll who\u2019s coding all day.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

What I want to do is to pace around and tell my agents to do things and code for me. Coding has gotten to the point where I have another window up, and I’m just coding with Gemini in Cursor. I just start speaking and saying, \u201cHey, this is what I want. I want you to change this, this, and this,\u201d and it just starts going.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

And why can\u2019t that just be embodied? Why can’t I just be walking down the street talking to my agent and it’s writing my code for me? Why do I have to be sitting here glued to this desk? So I really want to unbox the user interface personally for myself, and have my agent with me everywhere I go. I can just call it if I have an idea. It answers my email.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

What do you think will be the first killer use case of agents that really goes mainstream?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Well, definitely coding. It\u2019s already the first case.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Fair. But what about for normies, for non-coders?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Well for us [at Eliza], it\u2019s social agents. And then I run a remote team and DAO community, right? We have 20 people that come to work every day and develop code. I have a group chat right now of eight people. And we have 20 channels on Discord and we have a Telegram. So we have all this communication happening in all these places, and we have these very obvious problems everyone else has. I don’t know what’s going on in most of the chats. I don’t have time to read most of it.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

I’d love if it was just summarized for me. They should be like, “Hey, what has this guy been working on right now?” And it’s like, “Oh, he worked on this. He answered this.” Great. So we have a bot that’s doing just that thing. It checks in with every single employee every day and gets a [status update] from them. And it’s tracking every single chat and all of our digital spaces and summarizes everything.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Why, in your mind, is crypto crucial to this larger vision of yours of AI Agents? Why is Web3 necessary?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

I think it’s very obvious that it’s hard for me to give an agent a PayPal account. But I can just spin up a wallet for this agent and that agent. I could build a game where I’m like, “I need 10,000 wallets.” Because what I’m really doing is giving an agent the ability to prove that it is itself with a cryptographic signing tool, just like I’m giving any other user. So agents are just proxies for other users and they get the same benefits that any other user does.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

But I think that there’s a bigger question here of like why crypto at all? And I think the reason is because I think that we should be able to create our own money. It’s not a power that we should necessarily give to states, although states have the ability to enforce it with force. So there’s a bigger question of, what\u2019s the war we\u2019re fighting here?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

This is something that I\u2019ll be sharing in my Consensus talk. We\u2019re going to automate all of the jobs. Like, all of the jobs are going to be automated. There aren\u2019t going to be any jobs. And there shouldn\u2019t <\/em>be, because any work that I can get a robot to do is beneath me. And I think we will look back on this time like we look back on slavery. Like, “What the fuck were we doing?\u201d<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

We were making everybody work for dollars with all of their time. That’s crazy to me. They should have been pursuing their passions. They should have been asking, \u201cWhy are we here and what are we doing?\u201d They should have been forming their own basis of spirituality instead of just going to work every day. And so, in that reality, well, there’s a big problem.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

I can think of a few\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

If there\u2019s no jobs, then we have no money. But actually none of the rich people in our country have jobs. How do they make money? They\u2019re investing. And I think this is the world we have to live in, where we\u2019re all investors, and nobody’s a worker. It’s just insane to me that we live in a world where all the rich people don’t work, and yet we think that’s the way to getting rich.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

I\u2019m trying to visualize this. It\u2019s wild to imagine a world where no one has jobs, and all the work is beneath us.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

It\u2019s inevitable.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Are we writing poetry all day? How are we filling our time? What does humanity look like?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Okay, so let’s say you somehow received an airdrop that you put into a project, and now you have something like $80 million worth of value. What would you do? What\u2019s your next move?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

I see where you\u2019re going with this. So the idea is that you think about what your passions are, and how you\u2019d spend your time if you had unlimited money? And then that\u2019s what you\u2019d be doing in this world where all the jobs are automated.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Yeah. I would be at my computer working on AGI. I would be working on that all day.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Let\u2019s go there now. What\u2019s your guess of when we get to AGI, or if<\/em> we get to AGI?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

What is AGI?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

[Both laugh.]<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

So, does AGI to you imply sentience?<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Well, my favorite coined term was that AGI is the thing that computers can’t do yet. How about that?<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

It’s a bit of Zeno’s Paradox<\/a>, right? It will forever be outside of its grasp.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Yes, we have normalized the fact that, like, I can talk to ChatGPT on voice in my phone and get instant answers to almost anything. Like, we’re sitting here having ChatGPT do tarot readings, and give us answers to how \u201cMagic: the Gathering\u201d works.<\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Wild times! Thanks Shaw, this was fun. See you in Toronto. Can\u2019t wait for your talk.<\/strong><\/p>\n<\/p>\n

Jeff Wilser will host the AI Summit at Consensus 2025<\/a>, and is host of The People\u2019s AI: The Decentralized AI Podcast<\/a>.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

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